Mo and I finally got the opportunity to talk on Saturday. He suggested taking a drive, getting out of town for a bit, relaxing and having a meal.
It was what we needed, without a doubt.
I'm not excusing his behavior -- it was inexcusable, and I told him so.
But I also got a chance to listen, something I haven't done so much lately. Mo confessed to being under a tremendous amount of stress at work, not as an excuse either, just as a "here is how I feel" sort of thing. As he talked, I realized that he isn't entirely to blame for the current state of our marriage (just 95% of it!).
Anyway, no decisions either way have been made, really. Just that we both are going to wait and see where the next few months take us.
We're not separating, at least not right now. I made it clear, though, that I will not continue to be treated the way I have been. I am not his verbal punching bag, and I told him so. He needs to learn to approach me with respect and concern and not fly off the handle when the pressure gets to him. He isn't, right now, willing to go to counseling, so all I can do is let him know what I will/won't tolerate. I'm getting much better at that, and will continue to draw boundaries as necessary.
After telling me all the things weighing on his mind, Mo finished up with "I don't want to be without you. Are we okay?"
For the first time ever, I told him that I wasn't sure. That the baby thing HAD to be something we were on the same page about. Maybe not right now, maybe not for a year or two. But, absolutely and unequivocally, I had to know that we would try again in the next few years. Being a mother is not something I'm willing to negotiate.
He said that he really and truly does want to be a dad. He has just felt a tremendous pressure this past year to do our IVF's, on my time frame, and financially it has cost us. And he's right. I may never have come right out and said "It's a baby or I'm leaving" before now, but it has definitely been an undercurrent in every decision we've made. I pushed him to move forward, because I'm tired of waiting. After our first loss, I insisted on trying again as soon as possible, despite it not being the soundest financial decision. Now, after two losses, I'm willing to wait a while. I keep reminding myself that I AM "only" 29, and that it will be possible for me to have children for several more years. And, if Mo changes his mind, (which I don't kid myself COULD happen), then I still have time to proceed without him.
I WILL be a mother, someday. I hope it is with a loving partner. I hope that Mo can be that loving partner. But, if not, I'm comfortable pursuing this alone. And I believe that it is only fair that Mo realizes this. Maybe not in the way I told him this past weekend, but in the end -- it's good that we made our positions clear.
I know my husband. I know all his faults, and rarely hesitate these days to post them for all the world to see. Like a specimen under a microscope, some things have been magnified. This is not entirely a bad thing, as sometimes I need additional perspectives to reassure me that I'm NOT crazy. However, it's not entirely fair to Mo, either. He CAN be a good man. He can also be an utter asshole. I know this. But I also know that, deep down, we share many of the same core values -- or, at least, we used to.
Only time will tell if that remains true -- or proves to be the biggest illusion of all.
Wednesday, September 8, 2010
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I'm SO glad you talked, sometimes these things can creep up on us and a good talk at least helps you sort things out and see what page(s) you're on.
ReplyDeleteI hope you can both go forward now with a bit more clarity.
Big hugs!!
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Glad that you each got out your feelings and frustrations. That will only help you grow in the end. I'm sorry you've had such a rough time lately.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad y'all are taking the time to talk. Hopefully this mean you will be able to find your path with greater certainty and peace of mind. {{{Hugs}}}
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad that you were able to talk some of it through. I hope that this will continue to keep the lines of communication open and that you'll be able to work something out. ((hugs))
ReplyDeleteThis is a great post Jo. You sound very very positive about your talk and about whatever comes next. I hope you and Mo continue to talk and that he one day is the loving caring father to the child you've always wanted.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad things look better. Just because he isn't willing to go to counseling doesn't mean that you can't.
ReplyDeleteMarriage is hard enough by itself. When you add in IF, and financial struggles it turns into the perfect storm. Believe me, I know. I'm so sorry you guys are having such a rough time.
ReplyDeleteJo, I'm saying this because I care for you. I really hope it does not come off as assvice. But the first thing my Therapist told us when we started attending Marraige Counseling, is that "If your partner says no to going - You go alone. Period."
Big hugs, and warm thoughts.
I'm glad you both talked. You never know which wake-up call is THE ONE, so I hope that this really meant something to Mo and that he'll start taking your relationship and your future a little more seriously.
ReplyDeleteI think you're doing the right thing - the thing that is healthiest for both of you. I'm sorry Mo won't agree to counseling, but maybe like some of the other commentor's suggested, you could go alone? And maybe just keep an open invitation for him to join you at any time?
Thinking of you - wishing you strength as you try and figure out what lies ahead.
I'm glad you guys got to talk. I remember having a very similar conversation with my partner - telling him that being a mother was non-negotiable. We finally went to couples counseling and after four visits he agreed to start trying (six months from then). It was a hard time for us. I'm glad you've told him what you need and are ready to stand by it. I hope you two can work it out.
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad you finally got to talk and get your feelings out. For me, our lowest moment this summer was what made us stronger now...hoping for the same for you.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you had that talk. It sounds from your explanation as if your understanding of the baby issue is the same as that of a lot of other IF couples - both want kids, with varying degrees of thought about what's prudent (or urgent) to do at any given time and at what cost. Two people, two judgments about how best to approach things. I'm hoping we'll all survive that. But, I know that that's only part of the story for you guys, and I'm impressed with all the (seriously difficult) work you're doing to work all of that out.
ReplyDeleteReally glad you guys got to talk! Communication is so important and I definitely learned that one the hard way in my relationships. ((HUGS))
ReplyDeleteGood for you, Jo! I'm glad you guys got to talk things through calmly.
ReplyDeleteI'm happy you could put this all out there for him. And you are right, 29 still gives you plenty of time to make a baby. I really hope Mo can step up and be the man you need and deserve.
ReplyDeleteOh, Jo. I am so sorry you have been going through this. Marriage is hard, IF & loss are hard, mix it all together and it is impossible. The hardest of hards.
ReplyDeleteHubby & I were never really on the same page as far as how far we would go to have a baby. I would have done anything, Hubby wasn't even willing to try IUI. He didn't want to talk about our lost babies and I ~needed~ to talk about them. We were moving on completely opposite sides of the planet. I thought we had really dodged a bullet by conceiving Skeeter naturally but our marriage disintegrated anyway.
Okay - I had to stop for a second and remember where I was going with that. It sounds like you both need help and I really think you would benefit from counseling either alone or together if Mo is willing. Looking back, if I had gotten help with my infertility/loss, Hubby had gotten help with his anger management and we had built a basic foundation for communication I wonder if we would find ourselves in this place now.
It is a hard question to answer: husband or baby. You have to decide how important it is to you to have a child. I don't believe that is a value you can compromise on. I really feel that if you want a baby and you 'compromise' on that decision, you will always regret it.
I hope the best for both of you. Keep talking to each other.
Feel free to email any time if you want to chat.
I'm so pleased you got to talk. It's a start and a big step in the right direction. As long as you keep talking to each other and being as open as you possibly can then things can only get better. My heart just aches for you because this infertility stuff takes so much from us.. our dignity, privacy, trust in our bodies and it would be so sad if it took your marriage too. But I understand where you are coming from and I think i'd feel the same way about wanting to be a mother no matter what. It's a yearning and a need that is bigger than anything else.
ReplyDeleteSending you much love. x
I hadn't read the other posts, so I was aghast and then sad and then hopeful too....
ReplyDeleteI know that IF put a huge strain on our Marriage , I can't imagine how you feel..but I am glad that you are talking and telling him your boundries and what you can and cannot put up with.
My prayer is that you both come out of this together and as parents. HUGS
I'm so very sorry that you continue to struggle with Mo. I really hope the two of you can work together and figure this out. At least you are talking, and this is huge!!! Truly, try to keep the talking going. I really hope you two can figure this out together. Hugs to you!
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