Kudos to any of you who read that title in Ja.net Jacks.on's voice ala "Rhyth.m Natio.n." She was my hero in the 90's.
Mo and I had a very heartfelt, tear-laden talk on Sunday. He spent most of Saturday pissed at me (or so it seemed) because I went in to school and got some work done. Today was the first day with kids, and I was so upset Friday that I just ran out of there. Luckily, my sister came up and helped me mend things on Saturday morning. Mo was furious, though I think he's more angry with the situation we're in, than in the fact that I went in to work (instead of resting at home).
Anyway, there was a lot said in our conversation, and I'm still trying to process it. I'm actually really proud of us for having such an emotionally-charged talk without yelling, or saying mean things. We actually TALKED.
I am, however, quite devastated, as we seem to be on completely different pages once again. Mo thinks he's done, for real, this time. I GET that, and I respect that, but the thing is -- I'm NOT. Maybe in ten years I will be. But right now? Right now I still want children, and I simply cannot -- cannot-- imagine my life without them.
I really can't imagine my life without Mo, though, either. He's been my rock, my infertile shoulder, the only person who truly understands how I feel and what I've been through, because he's been through it all, too. When I think about him living in a different state, not seeing him every day, not hearing his voice -- my heart just shatters into a million pieces.
I don't think that it's fair. I know infertility isn't fair, but this part is even worse. Why should I have to choose between my husband, and a family? Why can't I have both?
Mo is still against adoption. He says its too expensive, the lists are too long, and he's not willing to drain the savings we have left to raise "someone else's" child. I've done enough reading to know that his feelings are completely normal, and may change in time -- but how much time? And what if it never does? I can't spend my precious few fertile years left waiting for him to come around.
As for treatments, those are currently off the table as well. We have two frozen embryos, neither of which we really think is going to result in a live baby. Even if they survive the thaw, our batting average just sucks. Whether its a sperm issue or a uterine issue doesn't even seem to matter at this point. We can't do PGD because they are already blasts. So they'll sit, for the time being, and probably be transferred at some point, though neither of us truly believes we'll have any different outcome.
Any other treatment options aren't appealing to Mo (or myself) either. IVF w/ PGD means more shots, more planning, more money, more time. We don't have unlimited amounts of any of that. If it is somehow determined to be a sperm issue, Mo has already expressed reservations against donor sperm (which would mean we could "revert" to IUI, a much cheaper route). So that's out. Donor Egg/Surrogacy would mean up to twice the cost of traditional IVF.
I just feel like I keep running up against a brick wall. I know that emotions are running high right now and Mo may change his mind (he has before). But, I also know that he is thisclose to turning over to the child-free side of things. He talked last night of wanting to move back to his hometown (where he went to high school) and wanting to buy a boat, to live on the beach, and be happy. He doesn't want to stay here, in small-town middle-America, and continue to have happy families thrown in his face day in and day out. And he's right -- there is nothing here except my family, and other families, and other people's kids. And every single activity -- from church, to school, to festivals, to movie theaters -- everything is family-centered.
But I spent 10 years away from my family, and I need them. I need their support, and their love. I need to see my sister every week, to watch my niece grow up. I need to hug my mom. I looked at Mo and told him, as sincerely as I could, that if I couldn't have children, he couldn't take my family from me, too.
So that's where we are. He wants to move, and I don't. He wants to move ON, and I don't. We're at an impasse, and I fucking HATE the biology that means we can't wait this out indefinitely.
Something's gotta give, one way or the other.
I just wish I had any inkling of what it would be.
Monday, August 15, 2011
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Oh sweetie...I hope that once emotions cool a bit you two are able to come to a consensus. I absolutely hate that y'all are going through this and wish I could make it better for you.
ReplyDeleteWow. There is so much to discuss. I say give it two weeks without bringing it up again and revisit to see if you both feel the same. Much love.
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry that you find yourself here, I have been in this space before myself. I have said time and time again that if IF ends my marriage I will never forgive it. I think that it is good that you are talking and hope you can continue to do so. Maybe some time will help, as cliche as that sounds. This BFN was particularly harsh given the chemical pregnancy and you both need time to process.'
ReplyDeletesending lots of love to you, this totally sucks
I have had several talks like this with my husband, and I will probably have several more (not necessarily about reproduction, but huge life issues.) I have found that when my husband is upset he starts talking in absolutes with very strong language "I'll never...I have to...I won't...never, no, forget about it", but after the dust settles some of those 'nos' turn into 'maybes' and then one may turn into a 'yes'. I hope that you guys can come to a middle ground.
ReplyDeleteI wish I could make it better for you, I hope you guys can come to some kind of agreement.
ReplyDeleteIt's great you guys were able to talk this over at least. And it sucks that you are being put in this position. Give it some more time though, I find that even my mind changes as the cycle disappears further into the background. Thinking of you.
ReplyDeleteI had always said "never adoption, never" and here I sit, on an adoption waiting list.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. I hope you can find some middle ground. Sending hugs your way.
ReplyDeleteI think it's a good thing you guys are talking about things, even if you both aren't on the same page (or reading from the same book on some issues). I hope you can come to a middle ground as a couple. I really hope you can make it though these decisions intake. I'll be thinking of you.
ReplyDeleteCrap, I meant 'decisions intact'.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Chickenpig, when my husband is upset he speaks in absolutes (even with a straight face, he seems sober but really he is very emotional), but if we wait a bit and revisit things don't seem so black and white. This is a really horrible place to be, I wish the best for you both, and hope you are able to meet somewhere in the middle...
ReplyDeleteMy hubby recently became very upset with the whole trajectory of his life. Suddenly depressed about his career going nowhere, his hobby going nowhere, fear about finances, etc. Just a general feeling of his entire life going in the wrong directions.
ReplyDeleteSo I asked him "8 months ago, when I was still pregnant, did these things bother you? I seem to recall that at that time, everything else was exactly the same as it is now, but you thought life was pretty great."
He thought about it, and conceded. When I was pregnant, he was happy with his job, thought things would work out fine financially, things all seemed to be in place. The only thing that had changed in his life was that I was no longer pregnant and we had no child to show for it.
Kind of sounds like Mo might be in the same place. The main goal in life isn't panning out, so you start thinking of everything else in life that isn't exactly what you might want it to be and you start thinking about what things are under your control to change when what you really want changed is so far out of your control.
Don't get too concerned with absolutes. He's trying to regain some control. He's feeling like the decision to have kids is being taken away from him, so he's trying to decide he doesn't want them so he can be in control of that part of his life rather than a victim of the circumstance. That doesn't mean he doesn't still want that, he just can't continue to be defeated so he's pretending (to himself) that he's making this decision.
This is such a hard time for both of you. It is so close to the loss. What is it they say about not making any major decisions immediately after a loss? Something about waiting awhile...
ReplyDeleteMuch love to the MoJo's.
Thinking of you. None of this is easy, but I hooey you find peace and answers.
ReplyDeleteReading this makes my heart ache in such a familiar way. I've been there and it's a very scary place to be. I don't think we would've made it out together if it hadn't been for our couples counsellor Lady Merlin. Sending you lots of love and hopes that this will all be a faint memory soon!
ReplyDeletenothing worse than being on different pages. i hope you both make it to the same page soon - i understand where Mo is coming from but also know exactly how you feel about not wanting to give up.
ReplyDeletei actually had an enlightening convo with Guv over the weekend, where he informed me that he was never that fussed about not having children - yeah kinda threw me!
~x~
I'm so sorry you are in such a yucky place. Minds and thoughts and feelings can change so don't give up. Thinking of you.
ReplyDeleteI just caught up. I came on here tonight so wanting to hear good news and I am just so sorry that you are going through this. I'll be thinking of you.
ReplyDeleteThis sucks, no matter what. I wish you didn't have to be having these conversations. The good news is you are conversing, and talking through this stuff. Give it time, don't make any decisions for awhile - it's too raw. Thinking of you and Mo.
ReplyDeleteAll I'd say is don't make any decisions now. Give it time, when both of your emotions have settled.
ReplyDeleteIt really is tough.
Sending good thoughts your way as you deal with this.
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